You die of toothache, American health care system best in the world

You die of toothache, American health care system best in the world

– A Cincinnati father, 24 years old, died because he could not afford dental care. – On Bonus Show: iPad prototype left on a bar AGAIN, breakfast as we know it is a scam docs point to close links between Ghaddafi and the CIA, much more. David Pakman Show is an internationally syndicated talk radio and television programs hosted by David Pakman www.davidpakman.com http www.davidpakman.com www.facebook.com www.twitter.com feeds.feedburner.com 24 / 7 Voicemail Line: ( 219)-2DAVIDP Broadcast on September 5, 2011
Video Rating: 5 / 5

UPDATE: Roentgen571 have made some good points that I do not want to be buried in the comments, so I’m adding them to the video description: A couple of points … critics of socialized medicine like to point to waiting lists as if they do not exist here in the U.S. as well. At the hospital where I work, there are two full-time orthopedic surgeons. Both of them have waiting lists that are over 2 months. Secondly, people are often confused about the optional nature of some operations. Yes, hip replacements be electives. If you have arthritis, for example, do you need surgery to improve quality of life, but if the surgery happens today or next week will not make a big difference. But they can also be enjoyed operations – as in the case of a fall and broken hip. These must be attended to ASAP. In the British system or in Canada, you may wait a couple months for your arthritic hip replacement (you can here in the U.S., too), but if you fall and break your hip, you will not be there for months waiting to surgery. Original description: This video is my response to the blatant dishonesty of Mr. Killian for his portrayal of the government succeeded in Healthcare in the UK (and by extension any country operating a similar system). He is guilty of so much that he accuses others of doing, including dishonesty, and behaves as if he is the one who knows it all. He is the epitome of the Dunning-Kruger effect. The U.S. health system has the highest

50 Replies to “You die of toothache, American health care system best in the world”

  1. When thinking about publicly funded health care, I like to know that some of my tax dollars are going towards helping people who can’t afford proper healthcare, and that it helps prevent awful outcomes like this. I like to know that I’m able to help people in my society, and they’re able to help me if I need it. That’s assuming the healthcare system is well managed to be effective and efficient – something the US healthcare system is not.

  2. The most common cause of death related to dental problems is blood poisoning. It is dangerous to overlook an absessed tooth because the infection can spread to the bloodstream and often leads to death!

  3. @105Mittens Yes, Reagan proved that decreasing taxes on job craters is a solid stimulus plan that could work again. Problem is that now the unfair trade treaties that Clinton signed and the CRA, signed by Carter and regulatory changes by Franks/Dodd have done their damage and there is no cash flowing and manufacturing in the US is all but gone. Whoever replaces Obama in 2012 has a tough road ahead to undo the damage by every president since Reagan.

  4. @maconsumner A small elite wealthy class with everyone else being poor is already the direction in which America is headed and has been the last 30 years (since Reagan’s massive tax cuts for the rich in the 1980s)…damn, we might as well get medical care treated as some sort of human right out of the deal.

  5. @JDrury2010 Great comment. Our healthcare system is only “the best” for the people who can actually afford all the treatments available (ie, the uber-rich). For the average working class folk, it sucks ass (for the most part). We have one of the highest infant mortality rates in the first world…and while 50% of people here claim to be “pro-life”, we have thousands dying every year from preventable diseases because they’re poor or their insurance company wants to save money. It’s revolting.

  6. @rextrek America was founded on having your cake and eating it too, It’s based upon doing terrible things and allowing terrible things to happen but just willfully denying them with a no true Scotsman argument.

  7. businesses and workers already get in essence a $128 billion dollar tax cut yearly for employer provided health care which doesn’t even serve veryone, but services it’s tens of millions participants poorly – this roughly the same amount the real Obama plan with a Public Option proposed on the campaign trail…. instead we got a $450 billion giveaway to the same bad actors – sad face

  8. @maconsumner “These Uber wealthy you are talking about are corporations”

    No, I’m talking about the top 1% of wage earners who control 40% of the wealth in this country.

    “Worse, what happens when these evil rich folks get sick of it and move their business out of the country?”

    Like they *have* been doing? It’s called off-shoring, and it’s still going strong. Yeah, they’ll create jobs alright, just in another country.

  9. @Xxsucram89xX This is a small part of the overall problem. We have some very serious economic realities that need to be addressed and adding additional socialist programs has historically never helped the situation, despite what this channel’s host implies. Socialism is not the answer and always creates a small elite wealthy class with everyone else being poor. Young people don’t realize that is what they are asking for now.

  10. @maconsumner What is your solution to this problem? I don’t see why we cant have both a universal and private system. Coverage should be universal. If you as a consumer don’t like that you can always choose your dentist and pay out of pocket. What’s wrong with a system like that?

  11. @donttreadonmyass I don’t think this would count as a non essential procedure since he died from it. I’ve yet to hear a valid argument against universal healthcare. To solve the problem of waiting lists, just allow people to purchase healthcare from a private physician if they choose to. Problem solved. We don’t have to have an all or nothing approach. It doesn’t have to be either universal care or private care. We can meet in the middle with a hybrid type solution.

  12. @l0gically LOL, only 20% ? What do you think they should pay? Before you answer, I have a 401K that I invest in for my retirement. These Uber wealthy you are talking about are corporations, of which in most cases over 50% of their values is from small investors like me. What happens when they start paying what you think they should pay and there is no value for return on my investment? Worse, what happens when these evil rich folks get sick of it and move their business out of the country?

  13. @maconsumner “Wrong, the current progressive tax base has about 50% of citizens paying no income tax at all. ”

    And has the upper income bracket (“the super rich”) paying an effective rate of only about 20%.

  14. This guy died in two weeks. Countries with UHC have waiting times for non-essential procedures exceeding two weeks. I think its like 4 weeks to see a physician in Canada.

  15. @TearsOfWar1 Wrong, the current progressive tax base has about 50% of citizens paying no income tax at all. My guess is that the gentleman in question fit into that 50% statistic I cited. Again, how is his dental insurance to be paid for? I pay for mine and my family of 4, but still pay deductibles. I also fit into the category of do pay taxes.

  16. @giponygirl This is the 3rd sock account of yours I’ve removed. This is also the last time I’m going to respond to you.

    And I find it a bit rich you make your assertions given you had no response to my comments even AFTER you used a sock account.

  17. @FistOfChrist7 “Is the concept of integrity completely lost on you?”

    When Libertarians and Randroids keep going over the same tired old ground and spout the same talking points despite having been refuted time and time again, I get tired of dealing with their horse shit. If you want to call that a lack of integrity, go right ahead.

  18. @FistOfChrist7 ” I mean, you can’t even give an honest definition of “quote-mine”.”

    What, you mean the act of taking a quote out of it’s original context such that no-one who doesn’t have the sense to follow up on it knows that it was not correctly cited?

    You’ve got a set of balls telling me I don’t know what Quote Mining is.

  19. @FistOfChrist7 ” Is this what you do every time someone disagrees or admonishes you?”

    Obviously not. Looking at all the comments on other videos will provide you with this answer.

  20. @hugesinker “Are you willing to be the bigger man and admit your mistakes or continue to bleed from the anus? For your sake, I hope that anal bleeding can be treated in much less than 18 weeks.”

    And herein is your dishonesty shown for what it is. I have linked the stats that show the MAJORITY of treatments being treated within SINGLE FIGURE timeframes on average, with the MAJORITY of them STILL within 18 weeks, and you IGNORE it and make the same claim HE did.

  21. @hugesinker “Are you willing to be the bigger man and admit your mistakes or continue to bleed from the anus? For your sake, I hope that anal bleeding can be treated in much less than 18 weeks.”

    And herein is your dishonesty shown for what it is. I have linked the stats that show the MAJORITY of treatments being treated within SINGLE FIGURE timeframes on average, with the MAJORITY of them STILL within 18 weeks, and you IGNORE it and make the same claim HE did. Go join his circle jerk.

  22. @hugesinker “You’ve held up the NHS ‘Bill of Rights’ as some kind of gospel in an attempt to refute hard data which shows that these very ‘rights’ are being violated.”

    What, you mean the hard data that I presented in my video from the NHS itself, an organisation that is REQUIRED to publish ALL of it’s data? Or the “hard data” that he presented from the Guardian NEWSPAPER? Which is it?

    Face it. You two are cut from the same cloth, and are as dishonest as each other.

  23. @hugesinker “You’ve falsely accused him of quote-mining without substantiation.”

    Quoting from the very same Guardian Newspaper article as though he is quoting the people referenced directly WITHOUT substantiating these quotes from their ORIGINAL sources IS quote mining. Sorry if you don’t like that.

    “You’ve said “citation needed” on points where the source for the remark is provided. ”

    This is an outright lie. He has NOT cited sources for the statements in question.

  24. @hugesinker “So I just watched this video and Shane’s rather thorough refutation of it on his podcast.”

    So thorough refutation means coming up with more massaged statistics like he did the first time he made his attack against the NHS, does it?

    “However, you’ve misrepresented his positions in the most uncharitable and egregious ways possible here.”

    No I haven’t. I’ve called him out on his dishonesty. Sorry if you don’t like it.

  25. @darris321 “that’s not inventing a definition, that’s translating a phrase.”

    The rest of your verbiage does nothing to change the fact that your made up definition of Ad Hominem is incorrect. An Ad Hominem consists of issuing an attack against a person making an argument INSTEAD OF addressing the argument itself. I’m sorry if you don’t like that.

  26. @darris321 “my conduct suggests i’m a killian lackey? you’ve got some impressive mind reading skills, sir.”

    Mind reading skills? Hmm… It doesn’t take mind reading skills to point out something so obvious as your conduct.

    Oh… And FYI… Mind Reading is also pseudo-science.

    Thank you for playing.

  27. @darris321 “lol right, well forgive me for assuming you cared from your subtle pleas for me to watch it.”

    No. I will not.

    Your egregious dishonesty is plain for all to see. This is why your opinion does not mean a damn to me.

  28. (cont)… You’ve falsely accused him of quote-mining without substantiation. You’ve said “citation needed” on points where the source for the remark is provided. You’ve held up the NHS ‘Bill of Rights’ as some kind of gospel in an attempt to refute hard data which shows that these very ‘rights’ are being violated. Are you willing to be the bigger man and admit your mistakes or continue to bleed from the anus? For your sake, I hope that anal bleeding can be treated in much less than 18 weeks.

  29. So I just watched this video and Shane’s rather thorough refutation of it on his podcast. I realize he can be caustic in his comment section, and I can’t speak to your experience in that regard and whether or not any abuse may have been warranted. However, you’ve misrepresented his positions in the most uncharitable and egregious ways possible here. It also angers me how you act so shocked by insults, as if you are above them– when it is so obvious that you are not….

  30. @FSAthe1st also
    you: your opinion is meaningless to me
    so stop responding… because these comments mean nothing
    Your opinion doesn’t mean nothing to me, i would like to learn your opinion, but so far you’ve only been putting me down and shrugging me off (and blurting wrong out like a child).

  31. @FSAthe1st
    you: “not sure you actually watched the video” “had you’d watched, you’d know”
    me: “I already said I hadn’t watched the video, I’ll get to it, I promise.”
    you: “I couldn’t care less…”
    lol right, well forgive me for assuming you cared from your subtle pleas for me to watch it.

  32. @FSAthe1st my conduct suggests i’m a killian lackey? you’ve got some impressive mind reading skills, sir.
    is there a reason you’re referring to me in the third person?
    that’s not inventing a definition, that’s translating a phrase.
    if the majority decided that “sacerdote” in spanish means “whore, but only a whore who whores on saturdays”
    that would not change the fact that “sacerdote” translates as “priest” and if I use it as such, it would be a perfectly valid usage.

  33. @FSAthe1st i wasn’t offended by the idea that i’m wrong. i was just taken aback by the rudeness of just blaring ‘WRONG’ when someone says something you disagree with.
    put yourself in the company of equals at a dinner and imagine everyone having a slightly heated discussion about politics and then ted in the corner just blurts “WROOONG! EERRNG! you’re wrong!”
    that’s rude, whether or not he’s calling it like he sees it.

  34. @darris321 “I like how you just straight up tell me “Wrong.”

    do you do that in person? christ, that’s rude.”

    I tell it like it is. You’re wrong. If that offends you, I suggest you grow a thicker skin. End of story.

    “I’m an unbiased observer, I’m not a killian lackey-”

    I’ll be the judge of that. Your conduct so far suggests otherwise.

    “he addressed attacks at the man (let me translate that into latin “argumentum ad hominem”) which came from you.”

    So now he’s making up his own definition?

  35. @darris321 “calm down, tiger. no one’s attacking you.”

    Who said anything about attacking me? I simply provided you with a definition for an Ad Hominem argument. Your attempt to twist the situation is noted.

    “I already said I hadn’t watched the video, I’ll get to it, I promise.”

    I couldn’t care less. You’ve demonstrated already that your opinion is meaningless to me.

  36. @FSAthe1st
    calm down, tiger. no one’s attacking you. I already said I hadn’t watched the video, I’ll get to it, I promise.
    I’m an unbiased observer, I’m not a killian lackey, I just listen to his podcast wherein he addressed attacks at the man (let me translate that into latin “argumentum ad hominem”) which came from you.
    I like how you just straight up tell me “Wrong.”
    do you do that in person? christ, that’s rude.

  37. @darris321 “argumentum ad hominem doesn’t require that you attack only the character, it requires that you attack the character.”

    Wrong. An Ad Hominem argument consists of issuing an attack against a person making an argument INSTEAD OF addressing the argument itself.

    “it isn’t usually my practice to comment without seeing the video, but i didn’t expect the video to contradict the title.”

    It doesn’t. Had you watched, you’d know.

  38. @FSAthe1st argumentum ad hominem doesn’t require that you attack only the character, it requires that you attack the character.
    it means arguing at man. there’s no mention of “only” in the phrase. shanedk uses argumentum ad hominem too.
    to answer your other comment, i have not yet watched the video because school has been really busy, it isn’t usually my practice to comment without seeing the video, but i didn’t expect the video to contradict the title.
    i’ll try to watch it tomorrow morning.

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